[25][26], In 1960 Liston won five more fights, including a rematch with Williams, who lasted only two rounds. After the second loss to Ali, Liston stayed out of the ring for more than a year. Sonny Liston was a bad, bad guy who was also a victim, and I dont know that anyone can point to when a victim becomes a perpetrator and how much sympathy he deserves, but I also think any holistic take is fair this far in history. [52][53] It was the first time since 1919when Jack Dempsey defeated Jess Willardthat a world heavyweight champion had quit on his stool. It made a champion out of Clay, who declared that hed shook up the world.. Tocco left the house before the police did. Concert Preview/Interview: John Lodge of the Moody Blues on Reprising "Days of Future Passed . The fight ranks as one of the shortest heavyweight title bouts in history. However, there were again rumors of alcohol abuse in training. Entire books have been written about the fight, and one, released in 2015, sought to end the suggestion that Liston took another fall. Asked by a young white reporter why he was not fighting for freedom in the South, Liston deadpanned, "I ain't got no dog-proof ass. Many in the small crowd had not even settled in their seats when the fight was stopped. Liston has been referenced in many songs by artists such as Curtis Eller, Sun Kil Moon, the Animals, Tom Petty, Mark Knopfler, Phil Ochs, Morrissey, Freddy Blohm, Chuck E. Weiss, This Bike is a Pipe Bomb, the Roots, Wu-Tang Clan, Gone Jackals, Billy Joel, the Mountain Goats, Lil Wayne, Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, and the Killers. Walcott never began a count in the ring because of Ali's non-compliance and his physical struggle with getting Ali to go to that neutral corner. Sports Illustrated writer Mort Sharnik said his hands "looked like cannonballs when he made them into fists." A lot of his life was mysterious and messy. that startles everyone in a 100 foot radius. He said it was taught to him by comedian and film actor Stepin Fetchit, who learned it from Jack Johnson. Technically, contracts for boxing matches werent supposed to have rematch clauses, though pretty much all of them had some sort of loophole and agreement when each side wanted to guarantee a return bout again, the laws by which boxing governed itself were really more suggestions at the time. In his own words in Thomas Hauser's 1991 biography: "The punch jarred him. At one point in this attack, Liston was rocked as he was driven to the ropes. Charles L. "Sonny" Liston (c. 1930 - December 30, 1970) was an American professional boxer who competed from 1953 to 1970. I want to prove to the world there's dirty work afoot.' BOXING Correction: July 15, 2005, Friday A sports picture caption on Wednesday with an article about Mark Knopfler's ballad for the boxer Sonny Liston referred incorrectly in some copies to the year in which Muhammad Ali knocked out Liston in Lewiston, Me. His death was, too. [5][6] Alfie Potts Harmer in The Sportster also ranked him the third greatest heavyweight and the sixth greatest boxer at any weight. "He had a left like Henry's hammer," Knopfler sings, "a right like Betty Bamalam. [99] (3) The mob promised Liston some money to throw the second Ali fight, but they never paid him. [79][80][81] These include Muhammad Ali, who stated in a 1975 interview that he was a great admirer of Liston's talents: "Liston had a tremendous jab, could punch with either hand, was smart in the ring and as strong as any heavyweight Ive ever seen. But a Senate subcommittee hearing turned up no evidence of any match-fixing, and doctors confirmed his explanation that hed taken such damage to his shoulder that he couldnt feel his arm. [24], In 1958, Liston returned to boxing. People around the world tuned in via satellite to watch the match, which was fought in front of 2,434 paying ticket-holders, the smallest crowd in heavyweight championship fight history; people there suggested the crowd was more like 4,000, but nonetheless, it was a very small in-person audience. Ali is waiting to hit me, the ref can't control him. The FBI was on the hunt for evidence for match-fixing, given Listons mob ties mobsters still owned much of his fight promotion contract and the sports shady business model. Sonny Liston Interview 82,818 views Apr 2, 2014 1.3K Dislike Share Save haNZAgod 93.2K subscribers Subscribe A rare interview with former Heavyweight champion of the world, Sonny Liston.. Skeptics called the knockout blow "the phantom punch." [50] According to a report in the Miami Herald a few weeks before the 1964 fight, Clay was consorting with members of the Nation of Islam, who Clays father claimed had brainwashed his son. "He would do everything to avoid taking shots." It was the first time in his career that Liston had been cut. (2) Professional gambler Lem Banker insists that Liston was murdered by drug dealers with whom he'd become involved. "[59], Liston is ranked second in the ESPN.com list of "The Hardest Hitters in Heavyweight History. [34] Many African-Americans disdained Liston. [45][46] A clearly angered Liston rallied at the end of the round when Clay seemed tired, delivering punishing body shots. ", During an era when white journalists still described black athletes in stereotypes, Liston had long been a target of racially charged slurs; he was called a "gorilla" and "a jungle beast" in print. Sonny Liston had a very sad upbringing & had to learn to survive at a young age. Knopfler, 55, said inspiration for the Liston song has been growing for a long time. He also cited medical evidence: "A team of eight doctors inspected Liston's arm at St. Francis Hospital in Miami Beach and agreed that it was too badly damaged for Liston to continue fighting. During the interim, officials in Boston also got cold feet. [11][12][10][13][14] One writer concluded that Liston's most plausible date of birth was July 22, 1930, citing census records and statements from his mother during her lifetime. "Nat Fleischer [editor of The Ring] was sitting beside McDonough and he was waving his hands, too, saying it was over." Liston also appears in the sequel, Blood's a Rover. Genuinely kind mobster who had been convicted of armed robbery and assault. In an unearthed, unaired TV interview, Sonny Liston's wife once said that the fighter needed to get out of the ring as fast as possible because he had diarrhea. Boston: Little, Brown. Ali brought his big personality to the small town, but Liston was still the favorite. [38], Patterson finally signed to meet Liston for the world title on September 25, 1962, in Comiskey Park in Chicago. So I get him down, I get the sponge and I pour the water into his eyes trying to cleanse whatever's there, but before I did that I put my pinkie in his eye and I put it into my eye. The film starred Ving Rhames as Liston and was produced by Rhames, Hassain Zaidi and Marek Posival. Standing 185 centimeters (6'1) tall and packing over 90 kilograms (200 lb) of pure muscle, there's a reason he was nicknamed "The Big Bear," and it wasn't for the hugs he gave.. His career in heavyweight boxing spanned from 1953 to 1970, and he spent all 17 of those years going guts for glory against the . [73] The bout was stopped after the ninth round due to cuts over both of Wepner's eyes. In the sixth round, he carried it at belt level so that it was of no help in warding off the right crosses with which Clay probed at the cut under his left eye." "There's no doubt that he was mean," Knopfler said of Liston. said Liston's Philadelphia dentist, Dr. Nick Ragni. . He said that Liston was not quick with his hand or footwork, that he relied too much on his ability to take a punch, and that he could be vulnerable to an opponent with more hand speed. [62] The promoters needed a new location quickly, whatever the size, to rescue their closed-circuit television commitment around the country. Dave Anderson of the New York Times said Liston "looked awful" in his last workout before the fight. He was poking the bear a bit there . Sonny Liston vs Eddie Machen (1960) As usual, Liston wasted no time throwing his jab and keeping Machen at bay, who was trying to get his hands off with minimal success. [72], "I was an 'intimidator' until I fought Sonny Liston. Charles "Sonny" Liston was born c.1930 into a sharecropping family that farmed the poor land of Morledge Plantation near Johnson Township, St.Francis County, Arkansas. The World Boxing Association one of several boxing organizations was not too pleased, moving to strip Ali of his title and advising states not to agree to host the rematch. Two more arrestsfor disorderly conduct and resisting arrest and another for impersonating a copled to Liston being suspended by the Pennsylvania Athletic Commission on July 14, 1961. Ali biographer Wilfrid Sheed wrote, in his Muhammad Ali: A Portrait in Words and Photographs, that Liston planned to throw the fight for reasons unknown and used the legitimate first-round knockdown for that end. . He talked of a fight with Joe Frazier, claiming, "It'd be like shooting fish in a barrel." Liston did eventually rise from the mat, but soon after, the referee broke up the two boxers once again the former champion had been down for more than 10 seconds, ending the fight. Wepner, who also fought George Foreman and Muhammad Ali, said after his career was over that Liston was the hardest puncher he faced. Sonny Liston was one of the hardest hitters the boxing world has ever seen. [29] Machen's taunting and his spoiling tactics of dodging and grapplingat one point almost heaving Liston over the ropesso alienated the audience that Liston received unaccustomed support from the crowd. Many did not see the punch land, and some who did questioned that it was powerful enough to knock Liston out. [105], Singer/Songwriter Rod Picott wrote and recorded a song titled "Sonny Liston" for his 2022 album "Paper Hearts and Broken Arrows. In the novel, Liston not only drinks but also pops pills and works as a sometime enforcer for a heroin ring in Las Vegas. [83] Herb Goldman stated that Liston, when in his prime between 1958 and 1963, was the most feared fighter in boxing history. [74], Writer Gilbert Rogin assessed Liston's style and physique after his win over Zora Folley. Liston was depicted as a bad guy by the media, a handbreaker for the mafia. The Devil And Sonny Liston. Hed shown up to the fight in the best shape of his life no hot dogs or beer in his diet this time and promised to take down Ali. And I said, 'Whoa, whoa, back up, baby. Midway through the first round, Liston threw a left jab and Ali went over it with a fast right, knocking the former champion down. "Yes, it was good and honest". Sonny Liston became world heavyweight champion in 1962 and fought Muhammad Ali twice In January 1971, former heavyweight champion of the world Sonny Liston was found dead at his Las Vegas. "And I suppose Sonny Liston always stuck with me. Some found it suspicious that authorities could not locate any drug paraphernalia that Liston presumably would have needed to inject the fatal dose, such as a spoon to cook the heroin or a tourniquet to wrap around his arm. In the 2001 film Ali, Liston was portrayed by former WBO Heavyweight Champion Michael Bentt. Stuttgarter Amtsblatt No. There's never been anybody as ruthless. When you can kill almost anybody in the world with your bare hands, you don't really have to go around proclaiming it to everyone. Very Rare interview with Sonny Liston and Joe Louis. 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Clay confessed later he had been hurt by the punch, but Liston was unable to press his advantage home. QUESTION 1 All Rights Reserved. The Devil and Sonny Liston. With the proceeds, he traveled to St. Louis to live with his mother. ", Hutchison, Phillip J. "[78] While much has been written about the effectiveness of his left jab, others have commented favorably on Liston's wide range of boxing skills. "It really has made an impact, actually from the very first time I performed it on 'A Prairie Home Companion,"' Knopfler said in a telephone interview. Sonny was definitely a specimen. During the fourth round Liston appeared dominant as Clay coasted, keeping his distance. Gary Beckwith said, "It wasn't uncommon for family members in these cases to go through and tidy up to save family embarrassment. Some writers thought Liston brought bad press on himself by a surly and hostile attitude toward journalists. [30], Liston became the No. . Clay countered in verse, "If you want to lose your money, then bet on Sonny! 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Sonny Liston is considered by many as the most intimidating boxer of all time with a devastating jab which is widely regarded as one of the best in heavyweight history. (4) Liston was supposed to take a dive when he fought Chuck Wepner six months earlier, and killing him was payback for his failure to do so. [31] While Liston began working into shape with hopes for a heavyweight title shot, he also continued his criminal behavior. Geraldine called Liston's attorney and his doctor, but did not notify the police until two to three hours later. "[18], After Liston was released from prison on October 31, 1952, he had a brief amateur career that spanned less than a year. In The Greatest, the 1977 film about the life of boxer Muhammad Ali in which Ali played himself, Liston was portrayed by Roger E. Mosley. Night Train is like $11 on Amazon, peep that if you want to get more of the story, i don't like how max was squeezing sonny's bicep. He also wrote that Liston's win over Patterson proved that "in a fair fight between good and evil, evil must win." Pan, 2017. Liston returned to the United States and won seven fights, all by knockout, in 1968, increasing his string to eleven. Machen's mobility enabled him to go the distance but he was clearly outpointed despite Liston being penalised for a low blow in the 11th round. Muhammad Ali stands over Sonny Liston after dropping Liston with a short hard right to the jaw on May 25, 1965, in Lewiston, Maine, Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston: The Controversial Fight Behind Their Iconic Boxing Photo, Remembering Just Fontaine and His World Cup Record, an official member of the Nation of Islam, Senate subcommittee hearing turned up no evidence, Your Privacy Choices: Opt Out of Sale/Targeted Ads. "[35] Although largely illiterate through lack of schooling, Liston was a more complex and interesting individual than has often been acknowledged. "I'm doing a portrait of a life, really, in a way, so you are trying to get the whole thing into just a few verses. Writer Jack McKinney said, "I watched Sonny. However, David Remnick, for his book King of the World: Muhammad Ali and the Rise of an American Hero, interviewed one of Liston's cornermen, who told him that Liston could have continued: "[The shoulder] was all BS. Rogin discounted speculation that Patterson had thrown the fight, writing: "The genesis of all this wide-eyed theorizing and downright baloney was the fact that many spectators failed to see the knockout blows. In the months ahead of the fight, Muhammad Ali went all sorts of routes to get into Sonny Liston's head. In his 1965 rematch with Ali, Liston suffered an unexpected first-round knockout that led to unresolved suspicions of a fix. Boxings brightest young star was again squaring off against a renowned bruiser in a rematch of their thrilling and controversial heavyweight championship fight one year prior, a fight that was followed by 14 months of international intrigue and the combustible politics of the 1960s. [10] His family, but not one Charles (or Sonny) Liston, can be found in the 1930 census, and in the 1940 census he was listed as 10 years old. He was paroled after serving six months of a nine-month sentence, and was not prohibited from boxing during 1957. You've seen him before but probably didn't realize it because the most famous photo ever taken of Sonny was not at his best angle. "He was afraid of needles," echoed Father Edward Murphy. "But they'll have to swing along until somebody comes to beat me. Liston was the subject of a 2008 feature film based upon his life titled Phantom Punch. [7] Liston was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1991. [8], Liston turned to crime and led a gang of thugs who committed muggings and armed robberies. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Sonny Liston had a very sad upbringing & had to learn to survive at a young age. The following year, Sonnydetermined to reunite with his mother and siblingsthrashed the pecans from his brother-in-law's tree and sold them in Forrest City, Arkansas. When Machen clinched in . He particularly resented a 1961 arrest by a black patrolman for loitering, claiming to have merely been signing autographs and chatting with fans outside a drugstore. "Sonnyboyliston | Race Record & Form | Racing Post", "Moonfire (1972), a film by Michael Parkhurst -Theiapolis", NYSAC World Heavyweight Champion - BoxRec, Lyrics to a song about Liston by Mark Knopfler, FBI Records: The Vault - Charles Sonny Liston, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sonny_Liston&oldid=1137950795, International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees, 20th-century African-American sportspeople, Articles with unsourced statements from February 2016, Articles with unsourced statements from August 2022, Articles with unsourced statements from December 2016, Pages with login required references or sources, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, Hackman, Timothy. ", It was later theorized that a substance used on Liston's cuts by Joe Pollino, his cut man, may have caused the irritation. I was about to say look at those mitts! This victory is regarded by some as Liston's most impressive performance. [30] Before his bout with Liston, Muhammad Ali consulted Machen and was advised that the key to survival was to make Liston lose his temper. The Real Story behind the Ali-Liston Fights. [66], Former champions Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Floyd Patterson and Gene Tunney, as well as contender George Chuvalo all declared they considered the fight to be a fake. Then again, you can also have guys like Ali or Mike Tyson. Dennis Caputo of the Clark County Sheriff's Department was one of the first officers on the scene. Clay brought Malcolm X along with him to Miami, and amid the controversy, the fight was almost canceled. [59], Liston trained hard for the rematch, which was scheduled to take place November 13, 1964, in Boston. Alois Stevens, suggested to Liston that he try boxing, and his obvious aptitude, along with an endorsement from Stevens, who was also a priest, aided Liston in getting an early parole. Officially, Liston died of lung congestion and heart failure. [64] Strict interpretation of the knockdown/count rule states it is the referee's count and not the timekeeper's that is the official count. The photo captures the champions exhortations, with all the fire and passion and dynamic physicality that made him such a phenomenon. His defense was described as "the gate-crossing of arms la Archie Moore. "[40][41], Upon winning the world heavyweight title, Liston had a speech prepared for the crowd that friends had assured him would meet him at the Philadelphia airport. Also, scar tissue, possibly from needle marks, was found in the bend of Liston's left elbow. Mark Knopfler's tribute to Liston, "Song for Sonny Liston", appeared on his 2004 album Shangri-La. [citation needed], The fight turned out to be a mismatch. "[18] The only backers willing to put up the necessary money for him to turn professional were close to underworld figures, and Liston supplemented his income by working for racketeers as an intimidator-enforcer. He won eight fights that year, six by knockout. Who needed that? Liston knocked out Hermann Schreibauer of West Germany at 2:16 of the first round. [88] On returning home from a two-week trip, Geraldine had smelled a foul odor emanating from the main bedroom and on entering saw him slumped up against the bed, a broken foot bench on the floor. After Ali's win against Sonny Liston, he wouldn't . ", Liston appeared on the December 1963 cover of Esquire magazine (cover photograph by Carl Fischer) "the last man on earth America wanted to see coming down its chimney".[106]. For his part, Liston said that the referees inability to keep track of time doomed him, as he didnt know when to get up from the mat. Cleveland Williams was the last person to defeat Liston and made $100,000 for his efforts. Audiences at home were confused and outraged. In his next fight, he had a rematch with Summerlin and again won an eight-round decision. In these feckless clinches he only managed to tie up one of Liston's arms. Dr. Alexander Robbins, chief physician for the Miami Beach Boxing Commission, diagnosed Liston with a torn tendon in his left shoulder. In an interview with The Associated Press shortly before his death in May 2009, Liston said he regretted . It burned like hell. Roy Harris, who had gone 13 rounds with Floyd Patterson in a title match, was crushed in one round by Liston. Liston went down on his back. Liston said he quit because of a shoulder injury. Boston: Little, Brown. Traduo Context Corretor Sinnimos Conjugao Conjugao Documents Dicionrio Dicionrio Colaborativo Gramtica Expressio Reverso Corporate "[95], Sgt. NPR's Robert Siegel talks to Gary Robinov, director of Raising Ali, a film about the 50th anniversary of the heavyweight boxing match between Muhammed Ali and Sonny Liston in Lewiston, Maine.. Good lord, Sonny's mitts are massive. The suspension was honored in all states. [92] He had been suffering from hardening of the heart muscle and lung disease before his death. There were some, however, who believed the fight was legitimate. In the 2020 film One Night in Miami, Liston is played by Aaron D. Alexander. After repeated overnight detention by the St. Louis police and a thinly veiled threat to his life, Liston left for Philadelphia. [35] There are several theories as to why: (1) publicist Harold Conrad and others believed Liston had been deeply involved as a bill collector of a loansharking ring in Las Vegas. During a ringside interview after the fight, Terrellwith his swollen eye and deflated egowould later say he respected all boxers. Knopfler said he enjoys boxing and other sports but reflected on a conversation he had with a friend about the fights. "But can he hit!" Emily Post would probably recommend a ticker-tape parade. "When he first got to the big city, he was hanging out with a bunch of people who were just looking for trouble.". And the face, it was an unforgettable face. And Tex Maule of Sports Illustrated wrote, "The blow had so much force it lifted Liston's left foot, upon which most of his weight was resting, well off the canvas. Half a mile above and beyond the shrine, looking down from the summit of the mountain, is a statue of the Sacred Heart. The interference of ringside reporters regarding interpretation of the rules, the fight stoppage and the controversy after the fight had not been seen since The Long Count Fight between champion Gene Tunney and challenger Jack Dempsey in 1927. "[68], While Liston publicly denied taking a dive, Sports Illustrated writer Mark Kram said that years later Liston told him, "That guy [Ali] was crazy. Shaun Assael. The ending of the fight remains one of the most controversial in boxing history. His family's home state of Arkansas did not make birth certificates mandatory until 1965. "[35], U.S. President John F. Kennedy also did not want Patterson to fight Liston. Knopfler, who now records as a soloist and performs with a backup band, has a wide-ranging curiosity that has produced an eclectic collection of songs. The victim sought out the executioner." Liston won his final fight, a tough but one-sided match against future world title challenger Chuck Wepner in June 1970. Like Dylan's subject, Rubin Carter, Knopfler's version of Liston is sympathetic. A dominant contender of his era, he became the world heavyweight champion in 1962 after knocking out Floyd Patterson in the first round, repeating the knockout the following year in defense of the title; in the latter fight he also became the inaugural WBC heavyweight champion. Controversy followed with claims that Liston had been drinking heavily the night before the fight and had entered the bout with a lame shoulder. Tosches, Nick (2000). I'm Sonny Liston, I'm Jack Dempsey, there's no one like I'm from their . "He told me in the strictest confidence, but it was like he wanted to get it off his chest." Liston decked Martin with a left hook in the fourth round and dominated most of the fight, but Martin came back and knocked Liston out cold in the ninth round. One of the reasons why sports stays alive in us is that there's part of us that wants to keep the child alive and recognizes that there is something important in doing that.
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