Theres not a lot of information about the gangs in the Boquete area. Perhaps that is where this photo was taken and a search should be done there. Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. How come there are so many disappearances in S. America The attacker could have taken the photos to confuse the authorities and the public. Hi, do you know when and where this book will be available? Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. Take care if you do go over there. Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon were both adventurers. There is no traces of them anywhere. A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. The link to the main page where I give complete details of the story: The True Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon 2 Girls That Disappeared in Panama. In Central America, dogs arent usually seen as something to protect and cuddle. This whole incident is the stuff of horror movies and very chilling, even if it was an accident. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. It took us quite some time to get there.". So, if the dog went on the hike with the girls, its most likely that the owners would not have known that fact. Perhaps this stranger had suggested he could guide them on a more interesting trail, or show them something interesting in the jungle. I could be wrong, but until I see some compelling evidence to the contrary, Im sticking with Juans theory. If you watch the four part video of the entire trail beyond the Mirador you will see exactly where this photo was taken, and there is not a cave or ledge or ravine anywhere near her. If someone can determine a gang affiliation for that image, it might be possible to determine where the traffickers were from. That said, tourists wear shorts and sandals because they are not used to the heat or aware of such social norms. I think it would be a mistake to assume Lisanne knew her friends password. Perhaps the killer of Catherine Johanet knows more, Hi, u might want to watch this vid it has theories dat i think might giv more insights to this case, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pCaD8kRTwsI. Im curious to know if they had a camera why wouldnt they make a final message for family telling us and them what happened? Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. Despite search teams, which included dogs and helicopters, there were no . She is obviously excited by the weird place they have found. Perhaps the owner had an underlying influence/incentive to express conviction in his or her statement about the dog. She decided to attempt to reach her friend, or help via phone. When someone does finally find her, its the last people she would want to be found by. I am very familiar with the Koude Kas posts. Obviously she did the first several times, but as the battery got lower, she likely got more conscious of the idea of conserving it. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. Could fishing line be being used to secure all this making it hard to see, & could that blue object on the ground be part of the roof device- step on it & it triggers it or something like that? I could be wrong, but to me this looks like it could be a hunting device of sorts, like a pit/catch trap. Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle. Dutch authors Marja West and Jrgen Snoeren claim they have solved the mystery in their book Lost in The Jungle. The photos showed the girls belongings spread out on rocks, along with plastic bags and candy wrappers, mounds of dirt, and a mirror. She would probably have gone into what looks like a cave or hut behind her, which may have been a booby trap leading to a long drop either through the floor or at the back of the cave. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. In India's Parvati Valley, dozens of male tourists have gone missing Hi Carin, thanks for your comment. Trials are too costly. Between taking the last foto (Nr 508) at 12:54 local time and the first SOS call at 16:39 local time something happened. This case is certainly not finished. His family told Fox News that he had been traveling by himself and he was in good health. But what if that is what led them off track ? Hi Kevin, Occums razor only applies when all facts are available. Minha Querida menina. One question sticking to the government interference and coverup, with the deletion of a photo (nr, 531?) I look forward to learning more and you do valuable humane work helping other young adventurers. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. I wish there were more answers to what happened. You have a good eye! While posing with sticking out your tongue means for a Dutch native you found something disgusting, especially while simultaneously closing your eyes. However, according to the Daily Beast: We now know that more than two dozen other victims also were reported in the same region of Panama, including a young woman from the United States found murdered earlier this year. From 2017 . I agree. Update Dec 2, 2021: The full-resolution version of this photo was released in 2021. They came to learn a language and embrace a culture. Our team is planning to go to Panama later this year (2021) to collect information involving the case. Could the structure built above be some sort of a net or trapping device? But the call logs gave the cops a rough outline of the time the girls spent missing in the jungle. And her shirt is pushed up. Over 60% of the missing person cases involving foreigners in the Cancun area have not been solved according to a new report. to Kris left is a huge dark area that has been poorly obscured with pixellation. I havent seen any discussions on this. Hey Im not sure if someone already pointed it out but does everyone see the orange drawing on the bottom right? The overriding input is human. Is this in dispute? Just pressing the button to turn the screen on provides you with the relative information, ie, whether you have a signal or not. The backpack contained two pairs of sunglasses, $83 in cash, two bras, a water bottle - and importantly, Lisanne's passport. Right on the bank of the river/stream. Do you have any idea how many people of all ages go missing here every single day. If their experience was catastrophic that that happened shortly before 16:36 UNLESS both were incapacitated and sense only returned at 16:36. Weird. It holds a bad energy. . At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. The girls took photos of so many things, even many mundane thingsbut for some reason the dog wasnt present in any of the photos. 4. In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. Like you would get from being hit. What Really Happened To Two Dutch Hikers Who Disappeared In Panama? The girls were no longer alive after April 2nd latest. They couldnt have been that far away from the return trail to Boquette. The dog came back, but the young women didn't. Theres a red cord tied around her waist that wasnt on her in any of the other photos. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . I think most of what people are seeing -other than the obvious, of course- is pareidolia. The rich live in gated communities. If anything, they work harder to try and bring anyone to justice that harms a tourist. Rocko Akira Clapp. I read extensively about this case and when I saw the above pic, I got the most eerie feeling. Maybe they stumbled on a hidden stash of drugs or something wierd and were taking a photo of the location in order to report it to the police, but got caught before they could. If Kris were injured and they couldnt use the phone, then why didnt Lisanne go get help? Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? https://i.postimg.cc/3xK4Pdmb/Kris-Kremers-Full-Photo-Highest-Res-auto-x1-1-photos-v2-faces-x2-colored-toned.jpg. They showed an incredibly brave independence which was repaid with murder. Realizing just how much trouble these two could have been in. Tourism in Panama represents one of Panama's main activities. If you are sending an SOS message then they are received 24 hours a day. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. Thank you so much for walking the walk. Thanks for your interest in the case and providing some input. Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. Its all speculation until more answers are found. Kris and Lisanne's families decided to fly out to Panama and bring Dutch detectives with them. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. Thank you for your consideration. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. Please remember to be considerate of the two girls that lost their lives and their families. In the yellow circle could be just a leaf, but not in the red one. Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. Her hands could be tied behind her back but, if this is the case, then much computer editing was involved because other photos that come AFTER this one in camera sequence show Kriss walking ahead of Lisanne WITHOUT her hands tied behind her back. The backpack had no scratches, no marks, the camera and mobile phones inside are as good as new. I think they were lost. Yes, you are right that a great deal of caution is necessary. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. They make no sense in spite of the speculation. This article seems to have a crop from high resolution version of the above photo. Hi Chris! It suggest that this case goes deeper than we imagine. Shes been beaten into submission. Their families went to the police to. With all the misinformation thrown out there and poor follow up work (likely to protect tourism), any ones guess is possible. Theres so much conflicting information regardless of which theory is chosen. Kris has somewhat prominent cheeks and a full lower lip. Ive just watched a video on YouTube.. An unusual one.. A psychic reading actually.. In all, the State Department says that in 2013 and 2014, a . Theres a blood splatter on her leg from her tendon being cut, to keep her from running away. Its worth mentioning how the police found out that someone tried unlocking Kris Kremers phone, but failed to do so. It is the morning of April 8th. For the next four days they travel. With regards to the photos, they are probably real. Cheers, Reg. This would cover natural causes and the rucksack contents being in perfect condition. Thanks for your consideration with this comment. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. That is EXACTLY what it looks like to me! A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. The red is the sunlight shining through the dead curled leaves. It would be scarey.they could got attack by animal. Froon had a Canon Powershot SX270 HS which contained numerous photos, many of which were of the period of time leading up to the day of the girls disappearance. . However, amiscommunication led to them arriving in Boquete too early for their program, which Kremersnoted was "rude and not at all friendly" in a diary entry. Rest fell off of the one hour bridge in Bastrop brains and on the rocks below some photos show her dead body laying down there. I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, were hiking near the town of. Hi Chris..I just came across this story yesterday and it was really sad and disturbingI hope the truth comes out too. I would start at both ends of the trail meaning working forward from where they started their walk and backwards from where their pathetic remains were found. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. David Lee Thomas Bass - Facts About the Musician. if both then was the other found in their room? They should be alive and flourishing today. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. Its sad because Panama is a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. Yes, exactly. The case needs solid evidence and/or solid witnesses coming forward. What I DO see is a very definite path. I think investigation isnt the correct word. According to ageographicalexpert, the three-mile stretch is relatively easy to explore, and most missing tourists return without assistance or come across search parties looking for them. I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. You highlight the importance of fastidiousness in the articles that I reference. Other than the dog, the young women went on their hike alone, only asking for directions from a local innkeeper, who advised them to take a taxi back to town. Nobody is safe. Kremers'slocked phone showed someone entered awrong PINseveral times. One or more abductor did know the phone PIN but not all people involved knew. After frolicking in the sun and taking photos for a while they decided it was time to return home, BUT they had no idea where they entered the jungle so they could not find the way out of the jungle back go to the trail. In Indian Country, a Crisis of Missing Women. And a New One When They Thats perplexing to me. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. Also I see a black pipe if you look carefully near one of the red and black objects the one that was circled. Fact. To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. Where is the Ping for that time? Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. At dawn the rain stops and she sets out. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. According to one web sleuth, the snaps taken on the camera a week after the girls vanished might have been taken with the flash to light up the path as they stumbled through the dark jungle. I am assuming that the rock painting you refer to is the round orange patch on the right. We simply dont have enough information at this time. After taking a deep dive into all the evidence and flying out to Panama to do their own investigation, the pair concluded that the girls deaths were an accident. Bright sunlight is coming in from the left side of the photo, so Kris holds her flattened right hand up to her face to shield her eyes, similar to a salute. Apparently it would also have been easy to alter the time stamps on the photos. She turns to talk Lisanna Many hikers from all over the world disappear, fall,or suffer other fatalaccidents while traveling-this could've happened to these women as well. From my own gutt feeling I see only a very preventable accident. Hi Louie, Unfortunately no. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. I think the left arm is visible behind her hanging down. Maybe shes told to put her hands up and walk into this structure. As the search was starting to wind up, a local woman handed in a blue backpack, claiming she found it in a rice paddy along the banks of the river. 60 Percent of Missing Foreigners In The Cancun Area Remain Unsolved The first thing that strikes me as very odd in this photograph and I think I havent seen anyone pointing that out yet -, is a specific number. If the dog went with them, its likely that the girls would have taken a photo of the dog, even if the dog was in a photo accidentally. Maybe you can find more answers about this horrible story. I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. On the original, her face doesnt look like that at all. Sheer incompetence. Froonand Kremerswere both in their early 20s; they traveled toPanama to work with children. They usually drown their victims, hit and run car accidents, or just disappear the victim, etc anything that ensures theres no obvious intent to the police. A closer look at mysterious disappearances that continue to baffle detectives. I suspect the food may have been left with them when they were abandoned by drug traffickers (who initially abducted them on April 1st) after Kris was hurt crossing the monkey bridge. https://u.cubeupload.com/beavermatic/KrisKremersFullPhoto.jpg, Her hands are not tied behind her back! Nice investigation. Note the shadow across her face , covering her eyes: that is from her hand. There were no signs at that time. https://photos.app.goo.gl/sLXepriuWAxz8t1R9 The oddest thing about this photo is the look on her face which looks very distorted. Panamanian screwed up the investigation monumentally, but I would think that the private detectives followed up all the leads: after all, they were getting paid a lot of money for it. Have you managed to obtain a copy? This basically kills the idea of living in Panama on permanent tourist status. The guide had something to do with the girls disappearance. In 2014 Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, both from the Netherlands were traveling and exploring the Central American country of Panama. This is an interesting analysis, of this photos and the case in general. However, if this photo showed that someone had hit her, why would the culprit not delete it along with photo 509. People have been there. Yessss!! I think shes frightened, Not only does it look like her hands are tied behind her back,but if you zoom in on just her,her expression does not look happy at all,and she is looking off to somewhere beside the camera,she isnt even looking at the camera,and there appears to be blood in her hair on both sides of her head and her hair is clearly a mess.maybe this photo was taken after their captured, possibly by whoever captured them. because why else would they have continued access to their phones for the next week? The families of both Froonand Kremers also became concerned when they didn't get a usual check-in call. I would prefer to stay anonymous and off the website, so you have permission to use my email. That is why the poor often resort to vigilantism. Each year, around 30,000 people are reported missing in Australiaone person every 18 minutes. Theres some orange with white dots. I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. This either meant Lisanne Froon was conscious while Kris was not, and tried to call emergency services, or that a third party tried to get into her phone but didnt succeed. I believe that the LA Times article is more informative, so Ive updated the link in my writing above. IF there was a dog with them why then did they not photograph it? Also we are in the realms of Hollywood if we need such a calm and calculating mind at work other than those of the girls to abduct and or kill them and then orchestrate a smokescreen. U.S. Travel Ban: This Is How It's Costing Europe Billions P.S. if you break your ankle in a fall and die your foot is likely to be found IN the shoe as is what happened. It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. Didnt they cross the line where it had a clear sign not to cross it? Around 2 oclock. Happy reading! Why no video diary? So its kind of curious that the most critical images are either cropped or missing entirely. & very very eerie all in all- I think youre absolutely right on its significance. We have 5 people ending up dead, and the skulls of the girls are never found. https://postimg.cc/94q0cVhH. It will be interesting to see where the photos were actually taken. Maybe the girls did perish deep in the jungle, but that doesnt rule out somebody causing them to get lost. Basically akin to that in the movie the predator. The relationship between pets and owners is different in Central America than in developed countries. Hay incongruencias en fechas y horas de los testigos y de los registros de los telfonos y la cmara, pero lo que ms me ha inquietado es la foto 506. I suppose incompetence runs at many levels. Your email address will not be published. In other pictures of her crossing water she is clearly dirty with her hair up. No way would I walk down that path. Im sitting here, with tears in my eyes and rolling down my cheeks.The transition from two weeks of lively holiday to stepping into the life of a real Panamanian family is just too much for me I want MOM and dad to hold me tight and tell me that everything will be alright I now feel like a small child of 2 yelling for her mother who is 2 meters away. In the leaked images some 90% of the original information is irretrievably lost trying to read anything into any of the remaining spots and splotches is fools errand. And two months later, a pelvic bone and a foot - still inside a boot - were found in the same area, according to La Estrella de Panama. Ironically enough, several of those men were also murdered shortly after. It even appears they have some kind tattoo on their back. We have no police report to read which its self may also contain errors. A wave of deadly exorcisms have griped the country, under the guise of religion, at the hand of a death cult. I believe one fell. I think that she has her hand to her ear,she looks like she is trying to hear what someone is saying,and also,the light is in her eyes;.It looks like she has twisted herself around in doing so. In May, a 61-year-old American man went missing and was presumed to have gone overboard while on a cruise through the South Pacific, according to a report from the Australian Associated Press. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. It begins to rain. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. Debbie, I agree. The dark side of cruises - MarketWatch So why did they go on a trip on April 1st? There is no question thats what it is. And thinking its more possible that another person with a bleachbath and a Laptop/PC is wandering the jungle in Panama just shows me how little people nowadays know how dangerous the outdoors can be. Perhaps it was created by locals in the region. While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. If thats what Im seeing, I have no doubt that it was murder and that this photo and several others have been manipulated. You would write something out on notepad or at least be texting everyone in your address book hoping one got through saying Help. I speculate about potential reasons. Maybe the girls were not so clever at tech but they did not leave voice or video memos to document their predicament not goodbye messages for family. The alarm was initially raised about the disappearance of the girls after they missed a private walking tour of Boquete on April 2. Therefore we cannot conclude that a dog was even with them. Impact of the Pandemic on Tourism - IMF F&D Regarding the photos, I have no idea why they would be taking these, deleted some later and left this one, especially since the ribbed roofing structure is somewhat obvious. Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. actually name names. While some believe Kris and Lisanne died in an accident, the ex-cop slammed the police investigation in Panama as shoddy and said it should be redone. I think its equally powerful just to disprove the official theory. These photos dont have a lot of helpful information and the camera was tampered with. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. I cant say what it is, but it looks similar to an object, that can be seen in some of the nighttime photos, like in this one here. If one or both of the phones were missing, it would have generated more questions. In reality, I dont think someone would go to this extent. The Darin Gap: "A nightmare with 1,001 demons" - Doctors Without Borders The students from Amersfoort in the Netherlands had spent six months planning their dream trip to Panama, hoping to spend some time backpacking, volunteering and learning Spanish. So this photo may possibly offer more insight into the story. Disturbing evidence also showed there were a number of failed attempts to unlock Kris' phone - sparking another theory that Kris had died and Lisanne was frantically trying to access her phone to get help. It isnt a cave, somebody has shown in a youtube video that it us just a very deep path on the wrong side of the mountain with a sharp turn. Visit Panama City Beach officials tell us in 2021, our tourism numbers were up 50% over pre-pandemic numbers. The branches above her could be an attempt to hide the entrance. This is the reason that police, journalists and military personnel often disappear and governments struggle to combat crime, not to mention corruption within law enforcement itself. What is peculiar is that there were no attempts to contact anyone other than the emergency services. A man and a woman. It only makes the image look more detailed, but the detail is artificial and can be very misleading. For a monster (him or them) this was enjoyment. Someone called her so she turning to look at them. Could the red object be a bird? At least 3 tourists are still missing after gunmen kidnapped them in Here is the comparison: However, if Continuous mode was in use then even if 509 was deleted, the next image will be 510. I too believe this is most likely what happened. I also live in a third-world country about which it was said that investigations were shut down, or botched, to protect the tourist industry. I can assure you that is nonsense. The indigenous locals that were committing the sacrifices were influenced by a villager that had recently travelled abroad and returned to his village with extremist Christian views. I have no idea. why couldnt they just destroy the phone all together, break it beyond repair and leave it in the backpack. Sometimes I refer back to the Story of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, the two girls that made international headlines in 2014 when they disappeared in the northwest region of Panama. Regarding the existing photos its a big mess. I think the night photos were taken by individuals who found the device and were not familiar with the camera, perhaps never seeing a camera before. 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